Tuesday, January 10, 2012

Should We Go To War With Iran?


Cogent, concise arguments are sometimes hard to come by. However, in the following article, Bruce Thornton, writing in FrontPage Magazine today, makes a very good case for military action against Iran. We were impressed with his explanation of the power structure in Iran and how religion directs it.


This is an excellent article. You might disagree with the premise but he makes a good case to taking  action against Iranian assets in an attempt to bring about change in the country. This is a good starting point for a discussion on the potential of a war with Iran. Do we want one?  Our answer would be no. However, if they shut the Straits or fire on one of our ships or other asset, it may come to that.

What is your opinion?

Conservative Tom

The Case for Military Action Against Iran

Bruce Thornton - FrontPage Magazine,  January 10th, 2012

Iran’s 30-year war against the United States may be reaching its decisive moment. Signs of the worsening crisis abound. Iran just announced it has begun enriching uranium at the Fordo underground nuclear site, a key step to producing more quickly fissile material for a nuclear warhead. As Europe moves closer to embargoing Iranian oil, deputy commander of the Revolutionary Guard Ali Ashraf Nouri threatens, “ If enemies block the export of our oil, we won’t allow a drop of oil to pass through the Strait of Hormuz,” through which about one-fifth of the world’s oil passes. In support of this threat, the regime continues to stage war games in the area and to warn American warships from passing through the strait into the Persian Gulf. Meanwhile the U.S. and Israel have announced a joint missile defense exercise, as Iranian president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad​ visits America’s enemies in Latin America, bearding the U.S. lion in its own hemisphere of influence.
Iran may be just indulging bluster and bluff. Perhaps the mullahs recall the severe punishment inflicted on its navy in 1988 during the Tanker War​, an earlier attempt to disrupt oil shipments transiting the Persian Gulf. That effort ended when Ronald Reagan​ retaliated for a missile attack on an American warship by eventually destroying two Iranian oil platforms, two Iranian ships, and six Iranian gunboats. Yet our current president has not shown as yet any of Ronald Reagan’s guts and nerve, and the mullahs may be calculating that the bluff will work.
And why wouldn’t they? Iran has been killing Americans for 30 years with impunity, from the 241 military personnel killed in Beirut by a suicide bomber, to the hundreds more soldiers murdered in Iraq and Afghanistan by Iranian proxy terrorist outfits trained and armed by Tehran. Repeated rounds of sanctions, threats, U.N. Security Council resolutions, and deadlines for cooperating with the International Atomic Energy Agency inspectors have been contemptuously ignored. Our citizens are arrested and held on trumped-up charges, our ally Israel is threatened with genocide, and incessant anti-American “Great Satan” rhetoric daily pours from Tehran. Just this week a former American Marine was condemned to death by an Iranian court for allegedly being a spy and a “mohareb,” or “fighter against God.” Yet Obama has answered this aggression against our security and interests with appeasing diplomatic “outreach” offered “without preconditions,” and pleas for “mutual respect” that the regime correctly interprets as a sign of weakness and failure of nerve.
Given that Iranian aggression has so far provoked appeasement and empty threats, the mullahs very well could believe that since they are the “best of nations,” as the Koran has it, in any conflict Allah will protect the Islamic Republic and render insignificant America’s overwhelming military superiority. After all, Muslims for centuries have believed in their superiority based on Allah’s special regard for them, as aviator Antoine de Saint-ExupĂ©ry noted in 1939: “Their [Muslims] pride was born of the illusion of their power. Allah renders a believer invincible.” The mullahs today will remember what the Ayatollah Khomeini​ said in 1980, after America’s ill-planned and half-hearted mission to rescue the embassy hostages was ignominiously thwarted by a sandstorm that caused two helicopters to crash and burn: “Those sand particles were divinely commissioned. . . . [President] Carter still has not comprehended what kind of people he is facing. . . . Our people is the people of blood and our school is the school of Jihad.”
Thirty years later, we still have not “comprehended” the nature of the Iranian enemy. We have continuously operated with a materialist calculus that ignores the spiritual motives that account for much of Iranian aggression. More depressing still, this is the same mistake the Carter administration made in 1979, when it ignored the religious roots of the Iranian Revolution​, dismissed Khomeini as “nutty” and “a crazy man,” as Carter did, and assumed that the secular political parties and technical elites would eventually rule Iran and marginalize the mullahs, virulent Iranian hostility would wane, and “after a transition period common interests could provide a basis for future cooperation,” as an assistant to the Secretary of State reported. Similarly the West today has assumed that economic punishment, or the desire for “greater international integration,” as Obama put it, can change Iranian behavior. We still don’t believe what a member of the Revolutionary Council said a few months after the seizure of our embassy: “No individual, no official and no Muslim has the right to show forbearance or compromise toward an enemy who is not defeated and is not overthrown.”
The melancholy lesson of history is that force is the “strong magic” that compels fanatical believers to abandon their murderous ideologies or keep them within their own borders. Equivocating about the use of force, or pursuing non-lethal ways to change behavior, such as diplomatic negotiation or economic sanctions, only convinces the fanatic aggressor that he has the gods or history or destiny on his side, that his enemy is weak and lacks conviction, and that a few more blows will achieve the aggressor’s aims. Nor does it matter if the failure to retaliate actually reflects other concerns such as political expediency. There were many reasons Clinton withdrew our forces from Somalia in 1993 after the “Blackhawk Down” battle in which 18 U.S. servicemen were killed, but political self-interest and survival were clearly the most important. Yet to bin Laden, the retreat from Mogadishu was like the withdrawal from Vietnam and Beirut after the Marine barracks bombing: the result of America’s “low spiritual morale” and “cowardice and feebleness.” And that perception fed bin Laden’s certainty that the U.S. rested on “foundations of straw” and could be toppled with spectacular terrorist attacks.
Settling the conflict with Iran and keeping it from acquiring nuclear weapons, then, will in the end be achieved with mind-concentrating force that convinces the mullahs to change their ways. One place to start would be to destroy Iran’s navy and shore missile batteries in the Persian Gulf. Degrading the military assets, bases, and production facilities of the Iranian Republican Guard Corp and the paramilitary Basij might provide an opportunity for the dormant Green Revolutionaries to effect regime change. As Indiana University’s Jamsheed K. Choksy wrote in The Wall Street Journal, “Once the power of the Basij and the IRGC to enforce the regime’s will upon the people has been seriously compromised, it would not be surprising to see large segments of Iran’s population casting off the theocratic yoke.” A saner regime perhaps would be more amenable to abandoning the pursuit of nuclear weapons.
The time is fast running out on policies that refuse to accept the necessity of force in changing Iranian behavior. Military action obviously involves unknowable risks and costs; but allowing a rogue regime, one situated in the middle of a region that produces one-fifth of the world’s oil, to acquire nuclear weapons will likely end up subjecting our security and interests to much greater risks and much higher costs.

9 comments:

  1. This guy has no credentials to be recommending a war with Iran. His education is in Latin and comparative literature. Show me an article written by a retired U.S. military general who says now is the time to start a war with Iran. Did we learn nothing from Vietnam, Afghanistan, and Iraq?
    1. Where is the WMD? There is not any evidence that they have nuclear weapons or are even making them. None. Zero. Is this going to be Iraq all over again where we just assume they exist and start blasting?

    2. The price of oil would immediate hit $300 to $500 per barrel and throw the global economy into depression. All this stupid talk is already causing oil prices to rise on the fear of it.

    3. What would China and Russia do? China gets their oil from Iran. So do Greece and Italy -- which pushes the European economy over the cliff via domino effect, particularly since both countries are already teetering on the edge.

    4. So, you blow up the country and kill hundreds of thousands of Iranian civilians (their nuclear facilities are in populated areas) in another undeclared, unconstitutional war. Then what? An occupation and insurgency? We know how that plays out by now, don't we?

    5. Iraq would join the war on Iran's side, and our 16,000 American contractors in Iraq would be under fire. Your guy doesn't even talk about that. Israel would also get border attacks on all sides from Arabs.

    It is this kind of insanity that is going to make me vote for Ron Paul even if I have to write-in his name in November.

    --David

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  2. So David, if someone is educated and an express a cogent thought, he should be disregarded?

    Additionally, did you read the article? He did not say anything about bombing the country. David, read it again!

    So what would you do if Iran closed the straits?

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  3. David, here is a 2008 analysis that you might find interesting.




    AP photo

    "Closing Time: Assessing the Iranian Threat to the Strait of Hormuz"

    Journal Article, International Security, volume 33, issue 1, pages 82-117

    Summer 2008

    Author: Caitlin Talmadge


    Belfer Center Programs or Projects: Quarterly Journal: International Security



    SUMMARY

    How might Iran retaliate in the aftermath of a limited Israeli or U.S. strike? The most economically devastating of Iran’s potential responses would be closure of the Strait of Hormuz. According to open-source order of battle data, as well as relevant analogies from military history and GIS maps, Iran does possess significant littoral warfare capabilities, including mines, antiship cruise missiles, and land-based air defense. If Iran were able to properly link these capabilities, it could halt or impede traffic in the Strait of Hormuz for a month or more. U.S. attempts to reopen the waterway likely would escalate rapidly into sustained, large-scale air and naval operations during which Iran could impose significant economic and military costs on the United States—even if Iranian operations were not successful in truly closing the strait. The aftermath of limited strikes on Iran would be complicated and costly, suggesting needed changes in U.S. force posture and energy policy.

    IS3301_pp082-117_Talmadge.pdf (158K PDF)

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  4. My point is that, if you are going to post an article on this topic, I would rather read something written by a military expert than a guy who studied comparative literature, and obviously has not thought through the implications of a military attack on Iran -- even the obvious points I noted.

    You wrote, "He did not say anything about bombing the country. David, read it again!"

    The article states, "One place to start would be to destroy Iran’s navy and shore missile batteries in the Persian Gulf. Degrading the military assets, bases, and production facilities of the Iranian Republican Guard Corp…"

    We would have to do a LOT of bombing to accomplish all that, but would not slow their nuclear program. We thought we could stir up a revolution against Saddam, too. The bombing campaign would only serve to unite the Iranian people in nationalistic opposition to the United State. Dumb idea.

    Also, I have a hard time reading his concluding paragraph which speaks of the "necessity" of "force" and "military action" before Iran can develop nuclear weapons as anything other that a recommendation for preemptive war.

    On your question, if Iran closes the straits in retaliation for the oil embargo, we should stop the embargo. If the idea of the embargo is to force them to stop their nuclear program, they are not going to do it. It won't work.

    Besides, as I said earlier, there is a huge economic risk to Europe and indirectly to the U.S., if the embargo lasted very long.

    The other option is just to wait a week. I read somewhere that their whole economy would practically collapse within five days if they could not use the straits.

    --David

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  5. David, the one thing you miss in this whole discussion is the nature of the enemy and their attitude toward enemies. In the Middle East, negotiations are viewed as the necessary step when you are losing. If you negotiate, you are weak. Strength is rewarded and weakness decried.

    If we were to stop the embargo if the straits were closed, the Mullahs in Iran would view that at a major victory over the "Great Satan" and it would only encourage them to do more outrageous things. Yours is a terrible idea!

    We should have learned from the 1979 Embassy takeover, where Carter begged for the hostages to be returned and go---nothing! However, when Reagan came to office, the Iranians knew he meant business and would take actions to free them. Weakness is not rewarded but strength is.

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  6. I believe this embargo is just Obama getting tough on Iran for his reelection campaign. At best, it will be ineffective in stopping the Iranian nuclear program. At worst, if carried very far, it could plunge Europe into an even deeper recession and the drag the U.S. economy into the ditch with them. That's why I think Obama is running a risky gamble here. Ergo, ending the embargo (with or without a straits closure) is infinitely better than launching a war with Iran, which entails all those questions (and more) that neither you nor this guy care to address.

    I am not advocating "weakness." You can be a non-interventionist and still maintain a strong military. President Eisenhower's foreign policy is a good example. Reagan sold weapons to Iran, so I am not sure why you should bring him in as an example. The hostages were released by the time he took office.

    I think Iran is well-aware of Obama's escalation of the Afghanistan War, his drone attacks into Pakistan and other countries, his bold assassination of bin Laden, his bombing campaign with NATO in Libya, his military assistance and other aid to Israel, his missile defense aid to eastern Europe, etc., etc. Therefore, they should have no reason to doubt that the U.S. and NATO will deal forcefully with them if they invade any other country. If not, there will be a war. However, I see little chance of that happening, but even that chance is surely better than the 100% GUARANTEED war if we do another half-baked military escapade as in Iraq -- except this would be far worse for all the reasons I indicated. Vote Ron Paul.

    Speaking of Ron, it's time for another piece on how the media is avoiding him. He finished a solid second in New Hampshire after a respectable showing in Iowa. In Virginia, he will get a head-to-head against Romney.

    --David

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  7. A couple points. Eisenhower was the first President to put "advisors" into VietNam. Second, the Iranian Hostages were released minutes AFTER Reagan took the oath of office. Thirdly, Obama cancelled the missile defense to Eastern Europe early in his administration.

    I will see what I can find on Ron Paul and his lack of coverage after his second place showing in New Hampshire.

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  8. I would like to make two points here if I could. First there is too much money to be made off this standoff to launch a military offensive against Iran. Sanctions against the country would be in large part useless as they would still have China, South Korea, and Japan importing Iranian crude oil. Major oil companies are well represented in Americas foreign policy think tank, as well as thier relatives in the defense industry and stand to gain large profits from the appearance of instability in the Persian Gulf.
    Secondly, many military experts have stated that Iran, unlike Afghanistan and Iraq, are more than capable of sustaining a lond drawn out conventional war with the US and allies. This, along with the fact that military conflict with Iran would plunge the global oil dependent markets into a deeper recession, would make war with Iran very unpopular in the west. Again just an opinion, but I dont see it happening, at least anytime soon.

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  9. Fact-checking…
    "In November 2010, the leaders of NATO and Russia agreed to put aside differences and cooperate on a range of issues, notably the U.S. missile shield to protect Europe. Russia's opposition to the shield had been decreased not only by the change in deployment plans, but Mr. Obama's invitation to Russia to participate in the shield and, more importantly, the negotiating of a new arms treaty aimed at further reducing U.S. and Russian nuclear weapons.
    In September 2011, the final legal and diplomatic building blocks fell into place for the Obama administration’s rejiggered defense of Europe against a potential Iranian missile attack. Romania signed a deal for 24 interceptor missiles to be based there, and Turkey officially agreed to have in its territory a sophisticated American radar system that could be on the watch by the end of 2011."

    http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/subjects/m/missiles_and_missile_defense_systems/index.html

    --David

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