Bank Rule Changes Strike Fear In The Heart Of Depositors

From Zerohedge--the bank run effects not only Britain but China.

The worst part is that the bankers are asking their depositors "why do you want (your) the money? If the answer does not pass the bankers scrutiny, the request is denied. The amount that large bank customers can get was halved in some instances. Some will say, "who needs 5000 pounds at once?"  Ever think of a business paying its workers or its bills or a deposit on a building or any business need.

We expressed the same concern when Chase made the change in their policy on off-shore transfers. With these revelations, it seems to be getting worse.

Conservative Tom

Bank-Run Fears Continue; HSBC Restricts Large Cash Withdrawals

Submitted by Tyler Durden on 01/24/2014 21:31 -0500

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Following research last week suggesting that HSBC has a major capital shortfall, the fact that several farmer's co-ops were unable to pay back depositors in China, and, of course, the liquidity crisis in China itself, news from The BBC that HSBC is imposing restrictions on large cash withdrawals raising a number of red flags. The BBC reports that some HSBC customers have beenprevented from withdrawing large amounts of cash because they could not provide evidence of why they wanted it. HSBC admitted it has not informed customers of the change in policy, which was implemented in November for their own good: "We ask our customers about the purpose of large cash withdrawals when they are unusual... the reason being we have an obligation to protect our customers, and to minimise the opportunity for financial crime." As one customer responded: "you shouldn't have to explain to your bank why you want that money. It's not theirs, it's yours."

Via The BBC,

Some HSBC customers have been prevented from withdrawing large amounts of cash because they could not provide evidence of why they wanted it, the BBC has learnt.

Listeners have told Radio 4's Money Box they were stopped from withdrawing amounts ranging from £5,000 to £10,000.

HSBC admitted it has not informed customers of the change in policy, which was implemented in November.

The bank says it has now changed its guidance to staff.

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"When we presented them with the withdrawal slip, they declined to give us the money because we could not provide them with a satisfactory explanation for what the money was for. They wanted a letter from the person involved."

Mr Cotton says the staff refused to tell him how much he could have: "So I wrote out a few slips. I said, 'Can I have £5,000?' They said no. I said, 'Can I have £4,000?' They said no. And then I wrote one out for £3,000 and they said, 'OK, we'll give you that.' "

He asked if he could return later that day to withdraw another £3,000, but he was told he could not do the same thing twice in one day.

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Mr Cotton cannot understand HSBC's attitude: "I've been banking in that bank for 28 years. They all know me in there. You shouldn't have to explain to your bank why you want that money. It's not theirs, it's yours."

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HSBC has said that following customer feedback, it was changing its policy: "We ask our customers about the purpose of large cash withdrawals when they are unusual and out of keeping with the normal running of their account. Since last November, in some instances we may have also asked these customers to show us evidence of what the cash is required for."

"The reason being we have an obligation to protect our customers, and to minimise the opportunity for financial crime. However, following feedback, we are immediately updating guidance to our customer facing staff to reiterate that it is not mandatory for customers to provide documentary evidence for large cash withdrawals, and on its own, failure to show evidence is not a reason to refuse a withdrawal. We are writing to apologise to any customer who has been given incorrect information and inconvenienced."

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But Eric Leenders, head of retail at the British Bankers Association, said banks were sensible to ask questions of their customers: "I can understand it's frustrating for customers. But if you are making the occasional large cash withdrawal, the bank wants to make sure it's the right way to make the payment."

The arrogance is incredible...

The Collapse Of The Banking System Is Getting Much Closer. British Banks Restricting Withdrawals. Chinese Bank Holiday.

URL and to post comments: http://dollarvigilante.com/blog/2014/1/27/capital-controls-deployed-worldwide-by-major-banks-is-it-too.html Monday,January 27, 2014 [Editor's Note: The following post is by TDV Editor-in-Chief, Jeff Berwick] First Chase limited cash withdrawals and money transfers on certain business accounts, then HSBC told its customers they had to prove why they were withdrawing cash. After that Lloyd's ATM's stopped working and China banned cash transfers and foreign currency conversions starting this week.  We've covered the global trend towards capital controls in western nations, and we are unsurprised to announce the trend is only getting worse for savers. As we've predicted in the past (and been right), this will only get worse. Now the Central Bank of China has ordered its commercial banks to suspend cash transfers for three days and foreign currency conversions for nine days starting January 30. This during the Lunar New Year Holiday, a time usually busy for banks in China.  The ban affects every commercial bank in China, and will cease domestic renminbi transfers from January 30 to February 2, and conversions of renminbi to foreign currency to February 7. Forbes published the following "Important Notice," sent by Citigroup to its customers in China: Important Notice: 1. Due to the system maintenance of People’s Bank of China, Domestic RMB Fund Transfer through Citibank (China) Online and Citi will be delayed during January 30th 2014, 16:00pm to February 2nd 2014, 18:30pm. As to the fund availability at the receiving bank, it depends on the processing requirements and turnaround time of the receiving bank. We apologize for any inconvenience caused. 2. During Spring Festival, Foreign Currency Transfer Transaction through Citibank (China) Online and Citi Mobile will be temporally not available from January 30, 2014 18:00pm to February 7, 2014 09:00am. We apologize for any inconvenience caused. If you have any enquiries, please reach us via our 24-hour banking hotline at 800-830-1880 or credit card hotline at 400-821-1880. If you are calling from other parts of the world, please reach us at 86-20-38801267 for banking services or 86-21-38969500 for credit card services. The maintenance is taking place during a peak period for Chinese banks, during the week-long Lunar New Year holiday, beginning Jan. 31. What's likely is that China's policy is aimed at lessening the impact of a shockwave to be set-off by a default in China's multi-trillion dollar "shadow banking system." HSBC HALTS PALTRY TRANSFERS, NOT LARGE ONES HSBC has also recently implemented de facto capital controls on its customers. One HSBC customer, Stephen Cotton, was reduced to writing different amounts out on pieces of paper, until the bank agreed to an amount. "So I wrote out a few slips," Cotton told BBC. "I said, 'Can I have £5,000?' They said no. I said, 'Can I have £4,000?' They said no. And then I wrote one out for £3,000 and they said, 'OK, we'll give you that.'" According to HSBC customers, they have been stopped from withdrawing "large" amounts of cash "because they could not provide evidence of why they wanted it." In reality, the amounts are paltry. HSBC admits there has been a change in policy: customers must give reasons for withdrawing paltry sums. The bank says it did not need to tell any customers simply because the new practice did not entail a change in their policy. Mr. Cotton needed £7,000 from his instant access savings account in order to pay back a loan from his mother. Just one year ago he had no trouble withdrawing the same amount. But, he could only get the £3,000 out of his account. When he asked if he could back later in the day, the bank told him he could not do the same thing twice in one day. Mr. Cotton has been banking in that branch of HSBC bank for 28 years. "They all know me in there. You shouldn't have to explain to your bank why you want that money. It's not theirs, it's yours." And that's where he's wrong. The bank doesn't consider it his money. Another individual, Peter from Wiltshire, had a similar problem. Wanting to take out £10 000 cash from HSBC to pay to his sons and some to fund his long-haul travel plans, Peter rang the day before to give HSBC notice. Everything seemed fine until the next day Peter got a phone call from his local branch. They said they needed him to send the money via a bank payment and to provide booking receipits for his holidays. Another customer, Belinda Bell, was required to provide a builder's quote before she could obtain her funds to pay him. HSBC said the policy change was to better serve their customers. "We ask our customers about the purpose of large cash withdrawals when they are unusual and out of keeping with the normal running of their account. Since last November, in some instances we may have also asked these customers to show us evidence of what the cash is required for." "The reason being we have an obligation to protect our customers, and to minimise the opportunity for financial crime. However, following feedback, we are immediately updating guidance to our customer facing staff to reiterate that it is not mandatory for customers to provide documentary evidence for large cash withdrawals, and on its own, failure to show evidence is not a reason to refuse a withdrawal. We are writing to apologise to any customer who has been given incorrect information and inconvenienced." Douglas Carswell, the Conservative MP for Clacton, said of the new HSBC policy: "All these regulations which have been imposed on banks allow enormous interpretation. It basically infantilises the customer. In a sense your money becomes pocket money and the bank becomes your parent." Lloyds TSB, another major bank in the UK, recently suffered a "glitch" which kept customres from accessing their accounts. “What is going on is known as a ‘glitch’ for now, and perhaps as ‘preemptive planning’ depending on who you ask,” Zero Hedge reported on the issue. “Sure, in a few months it may be called a bail-in (see Cyprus), but we will cross that bridge when we get to it.” Time-and-time again we are covering capital controls being instituted. We shouldn't really take any credit for predicting these unfoldings. We were in good company, as the International Monetary Fund only recently published how it anticipated your savings would be stolen. It doesn't matter if there was some government decree or not. All that matters is the facts on the ground. And the facts on the ground, from my perspective, are that people all over the world are having difficulties accessing their money. Hence, capital controls by stealth. They're here, and they're very real. Where was your money when it was too late? To learn more about creeping capital controls worldwide, and how to defend yourself, click here.

Anarcho-Capitalist.  Libertarian.  Freedom fighter against mankind’s two biggest enemies, the State and the Central Banks.  Jeff Berwick is the founder of The Dollar Vigilante, CEO of TDV Media & Services and host of the popular video podcast,Anarchast.  Jeff is a prominent speaker at many of the world’s freedom, investment and gold conferences as well as regularly in the media including CNBC, CNN and Fox Business