We are so sorry to hear that Dr.Carson picked some non-PC words in his discussion on MSNBC. Since he did no speak PC, he is being given, in the words of Clarence Thomas, a high tech lynching. The left cannot stand a black person who speaks his or her mind. We support what he said, but then again we listen to his intentions and not his mis-statements.
Conservative Tom
A pediatric neurosurgeon who has become the darling of conservatives since speaking against nationalized healthcare is now under fire for comments he made about same-sex marriage.
Dr. Benjamin Carson told MSNBC’s “Andrea Mitchell Reports” on Friday that he would be willing to step down as commencement speaker at the Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine after faculty and students signed petitions asking that he not speak.
“I would say this is their day, and the last thing I would want to do is rain on their parade,” Carson told Mitchell.
Carson said in the interview that he has not notified the university he won’t be speaking. “I am waiting for appropriate channels,” he said. “I don’t think television is the appropriate channel.”
The petitions began after Carson told Fox News Channel’s Sean Hannity, “My thoughts are that marriage is between a man and a woman. It’s a well-established, fundamental pillar of society and no group, be they gays, be they NAMBLA, be they people who believe in bestiality — it doesn’t matter what they are — they don’t get to change the definition.”
One of the petitions, quoted by The Hill newspaper, reads: “We retain the highest respect for Dr. Carson’s achievements and value his right to publicly voice political views. Nevertheless, we feel that these expressed values are incongruous with the values of Johns Hopkins and deeply offensive to a large proportion of our student body.”
MSNBC’s web report on the story says Carson equating same-sex marriage with pedophilia and bestiality has caused him to lose some of his star power within the GOP. Carson has said he would consider a run for president if the public was still interested in him a year-and-a-half from now.
Carson apologized for his choice of words in a Baltimore Sun story on Friday, but not for his position.
“First of all, I certainly believe gay people should have all the rights that anybody else has,” Carson told the Sun. “What I was basically saying is that as far as marriage is concerned, that has traditionally been between a man and a woman and nobody should be able to change that.”
Carson came into the national spotlight in February after criticizing healthcare and other policies of President Barack Obama at the National Prayer Breakfast while Obama was sitting just a few feet away on the same dais. He also drew applause when he spoke to the Conservative Political Action Conference earlier this month.
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Conservative Tom
Carson Willing to Step Down as Commencement Speaker After Protests
Friday, 29 Mar 2013 04:16 PM
Dr. Benjamin Carson told MSNBC’s “Andrea Mitchell Reports” on Friday that he would be willing to step down as commencement speaker at the Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine after faculty and students signed petitions asking that he not speak.
“I would say this is their day, and the last thing I would want to do is rain on their parade,” Carson told Mitchell.
Carson said in the interview that he has not notified the university he won’t be speaking. “I am waiting for appropriate channels,” he said. “I don’t think television is the appropriate channel.”
The petitions began after Carson told Fox News Channel’s Sean Hannity, “My thoughts are that marriage is between a man and a woman. It’s a well-established, fundamental pillar of society and no group, be they gays, be they NAMBLA, be they people who believe in bestiality — it doesn’t matter what they are — they don’t get to change the definition.”
One of the petitions, quoted by The Hill newspaper, reads: “We retain the highest respect for Dr. Carson’s achievements and value his right to publicly voice political views. Nevertheless, we feel that these expressed values are incongruous with the values of Johns Hopkins and deeply offensive to a large proportion of our student body.”
MSNBC’s web report on the story says Carson equating same-sex marriage with pedophilia and bestiality has caused him to lose some of his star power within the GOP. Carson has said he would consider a run for president if the public was still interested in him a year-and-a-half from now.
Carson apologized for his choice of words in a Baltimore Sun story on Friday, but not for his position.
“First of all, I certainly believe gay people should have all the rights that anybody else has,” Carson told the Sun. “What I was basically saying is that as far as marriage is concerned, that has traditionally been between a man and a woman and nobody should be able to change that.”
Carson came into the national spotlight in February after criticizing healthcare and other policies of President Barack Obama at the National Prayer Breakfast while Obama was sitting just a few feet away on the same dais. He also drew applause when he spoke to the Conservative Political Action Conference earlier this month.
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All I see here is a petition from Johns Hopkins students and faculty saying that they don't want this guy speaking at their commencement after he made that statement. You are always talking about rights. Don't they have that right?
ReplyDelete--David
INDIVIDUAL RIGHTS always supercede the group.! Those who are protesting want him to think their way and do not want to entertain any contravening opinions!
ReplyDeleteThe group is a mob and mob rules completely void individual rights. A petition is mob rule.
This guy has no constitutional right to deliver the commencement speech at their graduation ceremony. In fact, it is the right of the university to invite whatever speaker they choose. It is also the First Amendment right of university students and faculty to express their views to university administrators on this via petition.
ReplyDeleteI dare say that if they had a petition encouraging the university to invite this guy to speak at their commencement, you would have no objection.
--David
You are right that he has no constitutional right do deliver the speech, however, once invited he should not be un-invited because he says something controversial. I would say the same thing if it turned out that Obama admits that he was a Muslim, any invitation should not be removed due to is pronouncement.
ReplyDeleteHere is a little background for you on the right of petition in the United States..
ReplyDeletehttp://learningtogive.org/papers/paper204.html
Note particularly, "James Madison composed the First Amendment, which contains the clause regarding the right to petition government that we refer to today."
A petition is not mob rule. It is an expression of the will of ruled toward those who rule. The power resides not in the petitioners but in whomever is petitioned (e.g., university administrators).
If the university invited this guy to deliver the official commencement speech and a group of students prevented him from delivering the speech, I would call that "mob rule." Exercising their right of petition is not mob rule. It is protected speech under the First Amendment.
--David
The right of petition is more reflective on government rather than a university, however,you miss the point. The University should not cave into political correctness when it is speech that makes some uncomfortable.
ReplyDeleteThe right to petition refers petitioning the government to change things and not to fear reprisal. Dr. Carson is getting reprisal for speaking his mind. Isn't that ironic?
Had Dr.Carson not included the words bestiality or man-boy references, there would not have been any problems with him giving a speech. However, that is where we are heading and banning a man who speaks the truth is the lowest form of PC.
I disagree. The university has the right to revoke an invitation when the invitee makes a statement that they believe does not reflect well on the university. It is not "caving" if the university administrators share the view of the petitioners. You seem to be saying that, once invited, the invitee may say anything he wishes and the university has no recourse.
ReplyDelete--David
"The right of petition is more reflective on government rather than a university..."
ReplyDeleteI understand, but for students and faculty, the university administrators and campus police function as government. I became quite aware of this fact as a university student protesting the war on campus.
--David