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Friday, December 9, 2011

Will European Pact Survive?


The pact fashioned by Merkel and Sarkozy to solve the European debt crisis, is doomed to fail according to Brett Arends who writes today on Market Watch.  His main point is, will an independent nation  allow other nations to dictate what benefits the government will provide its citizens or what taxes its people will pay. In other words the debtor nation would be conquered, not by military action, but by a financial takeover. 

In the case of Europe, Hitler must be kicking himself. This is the easiest blitzkrieg ever! Greece and Portugal would be dictated the terms of their financial takeover by Germany and France and not a shot was fired! Can Italy and Spain be next on the menu?

Will these countries or their citizens, agree to this? Will this be the way the world works in the future? If so, the United States better get its act together very soon or we will be next.

China and Japan must be watching Europe very intently for if it works there, the US will be  one of the next takeovers. It only makes sense.  We are indebted up to our eyeballs, unemployment has steadily been around 9%, our government cannot get out of its own way to make a plan, and nothing will happen for the next 11 months unless there is an emergency.  

In this way, China and Japan would guarantee that the money they invested in Treasuries will be paid back. They would control how much money was spent on defense, foreign aid, domestic spending, infrastructure spending and social benefits (social security, medicare, medicaid, welfare etal). 

This is so out-of-the-box scary thinking that I am sure many will disagree with assumptions. However, if it works in Europe and if we don't get our act together to cut spending and yes, maybe increase taxes, we will be the next victim.

My hope is that it will fail in Europe and that the whole experiment can be abandoned and those naysayers can say "Tom, you were wrong again!"

What are your comments?
Conservative Tom





Why Merkel-Sarkozy pact is doomed to fail

BOSTON (MarketWatch) — If you want to understand the latest Franco-German proposal to “save” the euro, imagine this.
Imagine the governments of China and Japan demanding they be given the legal right to override the U.S. budget’s legislative process if needed, and to impose tax hikes and spending cuts on the American people as needed.
After all, China and Japan are our biggest creditors. The U.S. government owes them trillions. We’re not quite as deeply in debt as a share of our economic output, as Europe’s naughtiest Nellies. But we’re not far behind either.
Markets rallied this week on hopes that the leaders of the European Union will at long last solve the region’s budget crisis. Center stage is the new proposal from Angela Merkel and Nicolas Sarkozy. They want to turn Europe into, effectively, a federal government, with the power to impose budget discipline on wayward members.
Their proposal is preposterous. Anything can happen in this life, but it would be remarkable indeed if this idea got off the ground. Anyone pinning their hopes that this will solve the crisis needs to think it through.
Why would the Portuguese accept the right of Germany to impose budget cuts on their country? Why would the Greeks?
Would we accept that role for the Chinese and the Japanese, the biggest holders of Treasury debt? How would you feel if you opened the paper to be told that the new Sino-Japanese “Fiscal Stability Commission” in Washington had just slashed your grandma’s Social Security checks by one-third, scaled back federal highway repairs, and that it would impose a 10% national sales tax?
That is, after all, effectively what is being offered to the people of Greece, Italy, Spain, Portugal and Ireland.
It’s absurd. There is no reason why these countries should have to surrender sovereignty. They can simply, where necessary, default. A default by, say, Louisiana would not destroy the dollar. Neither did the bankruptcy of Enron or Lehman.
The British look smarter and smarter for staying out of the euro area in the first place. Prime Minister John Major, and then, later, Chancellor of the Exchequer Gordon Brown, each took the decision to keep the British pound free. At the time fashionable opinion predicted disaster for the Brits. So much for that.
(Predictably, fashionable opinion now says the Brits look “isolated” for staying out. Really, you couldn’t make it up).
It has long been clear the Franco-German duo wanted to use their shared currency to bludgeon the continent into something closer to a federal system.
Any investor pinning their hopes on this bird flying needs to be aware it looks a lot more like a turkey than an eagle.
This week’s meeting of European leaders already marks the fifth “summit” to solve the region’s debt crisis since early 2009.
My favorite comment this time: “After a series of ‘final’ summits, it would be nice this time to have a real ‘final’ summit.” That was from Standard & Poor’s chief European economist, appropriately-enough named Jean-Michel Six. What’s the betting Mr. Six will be attending Summit No. Six in the new year?


Brett Arends is a senior columnist for MarketWatch and a personal-finance columnist for the Wall Street Journal.

11 comments:

  1. You write, "His main point is, will an independent nation  allow other nations to dictate what benefits the government will provide its citizens or what taxes its people will pay."

    That is not what he said, and that is not what is happening. They are setting up a TARP-type fund, but in order to receive this money, a country must adopt the proposed treaty. The parliament of Greece, Portugal, etc. can take it or leave it. If they take it, they are going to have to essentially adopt a "balanced budget" law similar to what the Republicans want in our country. The treaty does not make detailed requirements about the mix of spending cuts or tax increases. The country just has to come up with it one way or another. If they leave it, they will go back to their old non-euro currency and suffer the consequences.

    In a way, the bond market already does this to us with China, Japan, and other creditors. They can "dictate" to us simply by not buying our bonds. For now, despite everything else, the U.S. Treasuries are still the reserve currency of the world. Of course, the other big difference is that we have our own currency and Greece doesn't, so they can't employ monetary policy like our FED.

    As you know, I am interested in the banking systems. If Greece defaults and drops out of the Euro, will France have to nationalize some of their big banks that hold masses of Greek debt? And what would be the spin-off effects for other European banks, and maybe even Goldman Sachs? We don't know, because this is new territory -- 2012 is going to be an interesting year!

    ---David

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  2. David, sorry bud, you missed the entire issue with what his happenning in Europe. It is not a TARP type thing, it is a demand that the countries increase taxes and reduce spending to certain levels WITHOUT those countries having a thng to say about it.

    Today the following was posted on Yahoo: "French President Nicolas Sarkozy said the legal basis of a new accord to enforce debt and deficit rules in the 17-nation euro area with quasi-automatic sanctions and intrusive powers to reject national budgets would be worked out before Christmas."

    That quote does not sound like it is voluntary!!

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  3. Germany, France, Greece, Italy, and the other EU countries are sovereign nations. No one of them (or subset) can change the laws of other countries. Only their own government can do that. The new treaty has to be ratified by parliaments in the EU countries. They have to take a vote on it. Sarkozy's prediction might come true, but he can't force the government of Greece to ratify the treaty. They are free to reject it, drop out of the EU, and/or go back to the drachma as their currency. That decision would be very damaging to the big banks in Europe, especially in France, which is why Sarkozy is praying/predicting it won't happen...

    http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/0,1518,761201,00.html

    --David

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  4. David, I disagree with you. From the article you posted: "It remains unclear whether it would even be legally possible for Greece to depart from the euro zone. Legal experts believe it would also be necessary for the country to split from the European Union entirely in order to abandon the common currency. At the same time, it is questionable whether other members of the currency union would actually refuse to accept a unilateral exit from the euro zone by the government in Athens."

    It would be disastrous for Athens to exit, a very good chance of bankruptcy for Greece and the Europeans would have to write off Greek bonds as worthless. Neither side is looking good but if push comes to shove, I believe the EU will force its decisions on Greece.

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  5. You are wrong. The EU cannot force Greece to adopt the treaty or pass any other law. It is a sovereign country. Only the Greek government can pass laws that are binding on Greece. What the quotes means is that if Greece wants to get off the euro as its currency, some legal experts believe it would be necessary to split from the EU entirely in order to change currencies.

    Not only does Greece have the option to get out of the EU and off the euro, here is a comment from one of their hedge fund executives who believes Greece is actually already on course to return to the drachma….

    “We should be under no false pretenses that we are not currently on the drachma train,” said Jason Manolopoulos, a Greek hedge fund executive and author of “Greece’s ‘Odious’ Debt.” “That does not mean we will end up there, but that is our present course.”
    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/13/business/global/a-greek-what-if-draws-concern-dropping-the-euro.html

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  6. David, this is hardball economics and every quote that you provide, I can give you two others. None of them really count as it is the negotiations between the EU and Greece or Portugal.

    Greece signed an agreement when it joined the
    EU which required certain things like keeping their debt to certain limits which has been violated. I am not privileged to those documents but my guess is that they are pretty clear as to the penalties for not doing as agreed.

    Greece will be forced to accept the penalties meted out by the Sarkozy-Merkel agreement because they do not want to go it alone!

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  7. You write, "Greece signed an agreement when it joined the EU which required certain things like keeping their debt to certain limits which has been violated." A country must meet certain debt ratios to qualify for acceptance into the EU. However, in the wake of the big recession, countries like Greece, Portugal, etc. no longer meet those benchmarks. That doesn't mean they will be kicked out of the EU now. On the contrary, Sarkozy-Merkel are making every effort to hold the EU together through this crisis. They proposed a change in the treaty which, among other things, would require members to have a (virtually) balanced budget. Greece and all the others must choose whether to ratify this treaty change through their parliament. If they choose to accept it, then they will be subject to penalties if they don't adhere to it. However, they are not forced to accept it. They may decide that it is better than the alternative, but you seem to be saying that they are under some legal obligation from the EU to ratify this treaty change. That is false. Okay?
    --David

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  8. No David, I did not say they were forced to accept it, I said it might be the best alternative as going it alone, will ruin their credit for years. Who would invest money in Greece which had stiffed its bond holders and gone bankrupt.

    However, if they do go along with the changes, it will remove the control of their government from their parliament and move it to the EU who will be able to make changes in the future. This also is distasteful but probably will be the way they will go.

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  9. You wrote, "Neither side is looking good but if push comes to shove, I believe the EU will force its decisions on Greece." I don't know what "force" means in that sentence. I don't think it does Greece any good to accept the treaty change if their economy can't meet the conditions. We have seen in the case of Great Britain that the austerity strategy has its own problems in a recession. They might decide to go the way Argentina did and accept the reality that default is inevitable. Take the pain, and move on with the drachma as their currency. That would at least have the advantage of controlling their own currency and initiate a counter-cyclical monetary policy. Otherwise, they are at the mercy of the policies of the European Central Bank.

    --David

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  10. I agree and your example of Argentina is correct, however, the big differences are that Argentina was in a different economic time and that they had not signed an agreement with other countries. Both of these make Greece's and Portugal's problems significantly different.

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  11. Well, if Greece drops out of the EU, adopts the drachma, and defaults on its debts to the European banks, that would leave it in essentially the same position as Aregentina when it defaulted. It is not a pretty picture, but if their economy collapses even more in a failed attempt to meet the conditions of the new treaty (which is extremely likely to happen), they may be in even worse shape than if they just defaulted and started over. That is what they will have to calculate.

    --David

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