In bashing Donald
Trump, some say
Ruth Bader Ginsburg
just crossed a very
important line
It's a political cliche at this point to joke about moving to another
country if a certain presidential candidate doesn't win. Gobs of
Americans were headed to Canada if George W. Bush was reelected
in 2004. A similar contingent threatened to flood across our
northern border when Barack Obama was elected and reelected.
Generally, though, you don't hear a Supreme Court justice talking
like this. In fact, you generally don't hear a Supreme Court justice
talking at all — much less about the big political issues of the day.
Most justices aren't Ruth Bader Ginsburg, though. And in a new
New York Times interview, Ginsburg doesn't hold a thing back
when it comes to the 2016 election.
“I can’t imagine what this place would be — I can’t imagine
what the country would be — with Donald Trump as our
president,” Ginsburg told the Times' Adam Liptak. “For the
country, it could be four years. For the court, it could be —
I don’t even want to contemplate that.”
Ginsburg also recalled something her late husband said about
such matters: "Now it’s time for us to move to New Zealand."
This appears to be a joke, but Ginsburg's sentiment here is crystal
clear: She thinks Donald Trump would be a dangerous president.
And in saying it, she goes to a place justices almost never do —
and perhaps never have — for some very good reasons.
Ginsburg is known for pushing the bounds of a justice's public
comments and has earned something of a cult following on the
left. But some say she just went too far.
"I find it baffling actually that she says these things," said Arthur
Hellman, a law professor at the University of Pittsburgh. "She must
know that she shouldn’t be. However tempted she might be, she
shouldn’t be doing it."
Similarly, Howard Wolfson, a former top aide to Hillary Clinton
and former New York City mayor Michael Bloomberg, said
Ginsburg shouldn't have said it.
Others wondered what impact this might have on Ginsburg's
decision to hear cases involving Trump.
And that's really a key reason justices don't talk like Ginsburg did.
Sometimes they have to hear cases involving political issues and
people. Having offered their unprompted opinions about such
things can lead to questions about prejudice and potential recusal
from future cases.
As Greenfield notes, Ginsburg was a part of the court that decided
who the president was when the 2000 election was thrown to the
Supreme Court, so this isn't uncharted territory. Had she said
something similar about either Bush or Al Gore, would she have
been able to hear the case?
Louis Virelli is a Stetson University law professor who just wrote
a book on Supreme Court recusals, titled "Disqualifying the High
Court." He said that "public comments like the ones that Justice
Ginsburg made could be seen as grounds for her to recuse herself
from cases involving a future Trump administration. I don't
necessarily think she would be required to do that, and I certainly
don't believe that she would in every instance, but it could invite
challenges to her impartiality based on her public comments."
Hellman said Ginsburg's comments could muddy the waters when
it comes to decisions not just involving Trump but also his policies —
something that could come up regularly should he win the presidency.
"It would cast doubt on her impartiality in those decisions," Hellman
said. "If she has expressed herself as opposing the election of Donald
Trump, her vote to strike down a Trump policy would be under a cloud."
Ed Whelan, president of the Ethics and Public Policy Center and who
once clerked for conservative Justice Antonin Scalia, has criticized
Ginsburg before for her public comments. But he said this one is
more indefensible than any of its predecessors.
"I think this exceeds the others in terms of her indiscretions,"
Whelan said. "I am not aware of any justice ever expressing views
on the merits or demerits of a presidential candidate in the midst
of the campaign. I am not a fan of Donald Trump's at all. But the
soundness or unsoundness of her concerns about Donald Trump
has no bearing on whether it was proper for her to say what she
said."
Rick Hasen, a law professor at the University of California at Irvine,
said it's valid to question how Ginsburg might have to handle a
potential Trump case — up to and including a Clinton v. Trump
case.
"I think this is ultimately a question for judicial ethicists, but I do
think following these comments it is a legitimate question to raise,
should Donald Trump’s campaign come to the Court with any legal
questions before the election," Hasen wrote on his blog.
It's not clear that there is any real precedent for what Ginsburg just did.
Then-Justice Sandra Day O'Connor was criticized by some in 2000
after Newsweek reported her saying, "This is terrible," at an election-
night watch party after Florida was prematurely called for Al Gore.
Some argued that she should have recused herself from Bush v. Gore.
apologize for appearing to advocate against Bush's reelection. Guido
Calabresi, a judge on the Court of Appeals for the 2nd Circuit, had
compared the 2000 Bush v. Gore decision to the elevation of
Mussolini in Italy and Hitler.
''The reason I emphasize that is because that is exactly what happened
when Mussolini was put in by the king of Italy,'' Calabresi said. ''That is
what happened when Hindenburg put Hitler in.''
Calabresi was formally admonished for his comments, but that's not
a possibility with Ginsburg, because Supreme Court justices are not
beholden to such rules when it comes to their public comments.
Justices are generally more circumspect because of professional
pressure and self-discipline — not because there is a written rule
that they must be.
But for Ginsburg, it's clear that this has become a calculated risk
that she is going to take. The New York Times comments weren't
even the only time she has been critical of Trump. In an Associated
Press interviewpublished Friday, she also said a Trump presidency
is basically unthinkable.
In an interview Thursday in her court office, the 83-year-old
justice and leader of the court's liberal wing said she presumes
Democrat Hillary Clinton will be the next president. Asked
what if Republican Donald Trump won instead, she said, "I
don't want to think about that possibility, but if it should be,
then everything is up for grabs."
That's twice in two interviews — i.e. not a coincidence.
Ginsburg's comments are and will surely continue to be celebrated
on the political left. For those concerned about the line between the
judiciary and politics, though, they could be the subject of plenty of
debate — the kind of debate that could set a precedent of its own.
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